I SRed a country 40 times, still took 220 hits to kill.

This is because the lower the pop with the same amount of defense = more hits. So really, its not worth it to SR and lose your spies. IMO if you SRed a country, it should add to the attacking rampup damage some how.

You used to be able to spy kill, and have 10 hits or so of GS/BR. Those days are gone.

The same is true of CM's with regard to the pop/defense ratio.

Or you could do it the smart way and only do CM kills on the countries that are SR targets. It is worth it to SR a target before you kill it, but only if it has basically no troops/turrets, or is going to be a CM kill.

I don't think its ever been possible to do 40 SR and ten 10 GS/BR for a kill (not on normal sized countries).

It can be more efficient to do cause dissension than to do SR, given how damaging CD is, and how important troop count is to civs killed. Now you have to actually think a bit more when killing. And that's a good thing.

There are a lot of serious problems with the attack gains system, but SR contribution to rampups is not one of them. And I am more than willing to criticize these flaws. But I don't see this as one of them.

I realized this today as well LI.

SRs used to reduce the amount of hits it took to kill a country, now it has almost no effect at all if done before the KR. I SRed a guy all the way down to 4k pop (he started at 25k or so) and it took 190 BR hits to kill him. Even with chems it would take way more than it should because of the ramping up effect and him starting out with such low pop.

As is it only makes sense to SR after the ramping up period late in the KR which is almost pointless unless you are solo killing in FFA or on a offline target who doesn't come online.

Ya, the ramping up change made spy ops and missiles mildly less useful, which is seen by the admins as a good thing because it makes suiciders less painful (unless you have 0 troops or 0 tanks)

You never played FFA then I take it. I enjoyed those silent spy kills in the past.

So a good SR target has to meet 2 requirements, both of which arent related? WAIT, I have an idea.. lets avoid the whole problem by suggesting another way to kill it via CDs! You make no sense rockman. Because even with those CDs it will still take a little under the same amount of turns to kill it without CDs.

One last thing, you should not be rewarded with more defends for having crap spal.

I actually was just talking to qz about this, lol and LI for me it actually took 100 hits more killing = countries with gs/br only vs max sr then kill :/

No admin comment?

spies are different than attacks =/

SR should still lower the hits to kill

they do, just not by much.

fair enough; i'm not sure what the appropriate response would be; adding them directly could do extremely unintended things....

erm I dont think they do at all... lol

if you do 150 SRs, it shouldnt take another 200 hits to kill :P

Spy kills were the best. Another thing in the past i guess.

if you do 150 SRs, at least 100 of them will fail just due to fluffty spy DR giving you the equivalent of almost infinite spal even with 0 spies...