So let's say next set i started a clan with a couple buddies and whatever untags joined and i had a FDP with Boom, ELY, NBK, and, and..... whoever else theoretically.....

Then FOCUS, CC, IMP, or LAE or anyone else FS'd my new clan

could i call in all FDP's to trounce the attackers?? Is that what a "Full Defensive Pact" means??

Flame if you want, but this is a real question

Yes you can call in allies, assuming those allies are not pacted to the attacking Alliance.

yes you could theoretically call them in on us :P

typically you only call in a DP when you are at a disadvantge. calling in and FDP when you are already on even terms results in the other side calling in one on your FDP.

this explains a lot...

but to answer your question,

in theory you can call in whatever defensive pact you have to assist you in that situation. but calling in 4 or 5 clans to help you kill off 1, that's silly and pretty much frowned upon.

unless it is late in the reset and they are hitting you solely to ruin a netting set, typically you only call in the allies needed to even the war, not to flat wipe them out. unless of course you don't like your clan on this server, then go for it.

but the terms of FDP and LDP are up to whatever your pacts say.

okay so if CC, Focus, IMP are FDP with my tag and NBK attacks me i can call all of them in to defend me?

that is a "FDP" ??

and if the cannons i bring to bear are 10X the target then it is my tag that gets flamed for being pussies, not the tags that agreed to defend my weak ass???

No, you can not just call them in. You can ask them to come in but you can not make them. It's a real bad idea to try and force a clan to do your bidding just casue to have a pact. If you try to do that it will back fire on you big time.

You're basically using the other clan as a weapon in your war, so yes, it would be your clan that should take the brunt of the heat. Of course, not all situations are that black and white and people have their own biases, so if a 100 country clan declared war on a 60 country clan and the 60 country clan calls in NBK, there are a lot of people who don't like NBK, so they'd probably flame them instead of the original clan that was attacked.

no matter who calls in who, and if they come or not, or any other imaginable scenario, people will whine and flame everyone lol

true, very true

actually an FDP is expected to join regardless of moral standing if asked. thats why there are LDP's.

you and I know that does not always work that way and if the clan asked to come in feels it is unnecessary, unreasonable,
or that they are being manipulated or used as a pawn in some scheme they would be unlikely to comply. I know that's not the norm but just the tone of the question here leads me to think it's for putting together some plan to manipulate the actions of other clans.

JP, if thats the case, they should not have signed an FDP, a FDP means if you get called in you join. period. unless you are UNAPd to the offending clan, you join.

but as said ealrier, if 100 country clan attacks 60 country clan and then 60 country clan calls in 3 FDP @100 country each, yes, they get flamed. and flamed hard, and then get hit set after set.

nawwww who doesn't like us? :-/

yeah I would say you could call in a FDP that would help you even up the war. but shouldnt bring them all in. thats an overkill, and just asking for a sever wide war.....


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hang on... that sounds grand!


lets do it! lol :-D

I was asking more out of a netting standpoint. Where someone is trying to net and gets dec'd on. They are not interested in a war they just want the attackers wiped out so they can go back to netting.

I would want the aggressors gone ASAP so could I call all FDP's in at once to just obliterate them? Why would this be frowned on? There have been a lot of clans killing untagged countries all set for attacking other clans trying to net. This would just be an organized version of that right?

No FDP tag would honor that I don't think. If you get dec'd on, interest or no, you gotta either fight or not fight. If you choose NOT to fight in a declared war, that's cool but I don't think FDP clans would probably immediately fight on your behalf if you have no interest in protecting yourself.

FDP's are not designed to make a clan's life convenient. They are designed to aid a clan against unfair odds in a declared war, or when faced with overwhelming suicide attacks as opposed to the occasional suicider. You can't expect that if you get declared on that you can have your FDP's fight your war for you.

That said, if your clan was being pounded by suiciders or MAYBE a "spam tag", your FDP's would probably be glad to help out unless they are a fellow netting tag, of course.

Whether or not your FDP's would totally take care of your problem would depend on your individual relationship with each clan. Also, your own culpability has to be determined. Were you dec'd on out of the blue and for no reason? Or did you do something(s) to deserve it?

The other aspect to look at is what are YOU going to do in return for not fighting for yourself at all? FDP's are not customarily a one-way street and one or more of your FDP's may well call in a favor when you're having your best ever netting set.

Nice !

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Oh yeah, already done is !

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Good point Dragon there should be an expectation of compensation, or even a pre set comp package that could be addressed in the FDP agreement.

And of course the countries set up to retal LG's would be expected to also assist in KR's.

If it turned out to be a detriment to the assisting clans then they could simply not offer/accept the FDP in following sets??

But technically if 2 clans have a FDP and one calls on the other then they are honor bound to come to their aid?? Regardless of moral objections or whatever?? It is a test of the honor/balls of the clan being called on to stand up and honor their word??

Though if called it may cost the clan asking for help and ally in future sets.

Am I understanding this correctly?

There are many situations where an FDP has not defended an ally in the past. It isn't hard to get around an FDP, i.e sign a UNAP with the enemy Alliance although this is not the act of a friend.

A real FDP is based on a mutual trust and understanding between 2 Alliances. FDP is a reflective of a friendship between 2 Alliances.