If I do enough whining it helps my country grow to over 50m nw. You should try it sometime.

Nice job changing the goalposts and using some whataboutism. "Well what about your skills in classic and primary where the REAL skill is?" If that's your argument now then it's obvious you've already lost this little exchange.

I'm not a fan of the servers where the REAL skill is and I need to hit other players. I only play to get the premium credits and because I think the game overall needs as much participation as it can get. I haven't put in the effort to find good builds in those servers and find the best balance between gaining land and defense. So you're absolutely right, I don't have the skill to excel in those servers and that is 100% intentional.

Grabbing other players and being aggressive isn't my preferred playstyle. But I'm at least willing to admit the type of player that I am and I'm not trying to be two faced about what I think is acceptable about playing this game.

I tried to reason with you but this thread showed me that you haven't changed a bit and continuing this argument is no longer worth my time. Best of luck SuperFly.

"when was the game down? " - Yesterday. You can look at the earth discord in the mod and casual chat and see multiple people complaining about it. I couldn't grab, would time out. You also literally posted in another thread about game issues that it "happened to me earlier as well.". If brigades don't come back you can't grab - if hitting "send attack" returns a blank page you can't grab.

"I think you are blind. I made a post complaining about denshu and nostalgerious or however you spell his name" - This is a incorrect. You made this thread after one of the top netters grabbed you. You literally made this thread to "cry about an LG".

You say you're complaining about "players who are only hitting and breaking GDI for the sake of being pests". To me, this means players who grab other players unprovoked, retal on retal, grab multiple times, and grab "for the sake of being pests".

This last round you:
- Grabbed me unprovoked.
- Retalled my retal.
- Grabbed me twice on your ROR.
- The above two grabs were with 9-8 minutes left in the round, so you lost NW and got negative return on the grabs. You literally hit me just to hit me. If that's not "for the sake of being pests" I don't know what is.

So you may call me blind, but the way I see it you are acting no better than the players you want Slagpit to ban.

"You get hit one round and you are here with a pitch fork now..." - you've grabbed me at least 4 rounds in a row now. I've retalled you every single time and went about my business. I didn't come "here with a pitch fork" until you RORed and did it with 10 minutes left in the round. I generally get positive land on your grabs, so they don't really bother me that much. You starting to act "like a pest" is why I came to this thread.

You can go back to the second post on this thread for my position. You asked if we're back to hitting players and I said "I hope not. I rather enjoy sitting here hugging my tree." I have no interest in land trading or warring you, but if you hit me I'm going to retal and I'm going to try to do it as quickly as I can.

If you want to be a pest like all of the players you are calling out - go for it. But at least be honest about the sort of player you are.

If you want to be a strong netter - go for it. You've got way more experience and talent than I do. If you want to start competing for #1 finishes you have more than enough ability to do it. (You have 8 #1 finishes, that's more than me) I can tell you right now losing land trades with me and other netters is not how you're going to win rounds though. If you look at the thread I made about 2026 winners you'll see the top of the list is almost entirely made up of players who do not hit other players. The return on grabbing humans in the current meta isn't worth it.

If you're not sure how to improve there are a number of players who are happy to provide guidance. I'm far better in express because I listened to the advice of the netters a tier above me in skill. I'm not at their level, but i'm happy to share what I know.

If you want to keep acting like you're some superior player and then throwing sour grapes when I retal you then i'm going to continue coming to the forum to tell you that you're a hypocrite.

" when I hit you this morning you were $2m NW and I was like 15m?"

I was 500 turns behind at the time because the game was down yesterday.

" You hit me 1.5hrs before end of set all jetter style. Didn’t even send a retal message. you use a new name every set and you don’t ally me. How would I know it’s you?"

Then I used my turns as quickly as I could and retalled you as soon as I had the NW for it. I'm not a fan of waiting a super long time for retals. Also I wasn't all-jetter, i was 60/40 jets/turrets which is more turret heavy than most CIs run. The game allows you to sell 45% of your military, so not sure why you're getting all judgy that I was a Indy selling my indy units. I obviously couldn't sell the jets I PSed you with.

"Didn’t even send a retal message." - Yes I did. It said "Retal for your grab earlier. Best of luck on your jump!". I pasted the same number into the message that I used to hit you. Maybe the game is still having stability issues or something, but I always send a retal message.

" Here’s an idea, don’t hang out in the bottom of the scores list with 20k land and 200k turrets at $2m NW… "

This is your hypocrasy. You apparently are the judge of when it's ok to hit human players and when it's not. A high NW techer grabs you on the last day when you have 1m jets and you make a forum post complaining about it. But then I'm playing a CI that runs turns late in the game and it's "don't hang out in the bottom". You want to have it both ways and feel like a victim when someone runs a better country than you and feel like it's justified to grab whoever you want.

Your convoluted sense of morals on this game are a crock and you're just a long-time player who isn't skilled enough to actually compete and you want to blame it on everyone else.

If you want to be the sort of player you've been insulting and then editing out on this thread, go for it. You do you. But don't pretend like you're any better than any of the other trolls who play this game at the expense of others because they don't have the skill to actually compete.

Grabbing me twice at the end of a round was a jerk move SuperFly. I find it amusing that started this thread to complain about being grabbed but you've hit me like four rounds in a row now and pulled the cowardly last minute grabs.

You're a complete hypocrite.

I hope not. I rather enjoy sitting here hugging my tree.

I'll try to keep this up to date throughout the year.

Round Player Strat NetWorth
898 TheoSqua Tech $77,811,307
897 TheoSqua Tech $78,695,172
896 NitelL Tech $94,244,351
895 Lawrence0485 Casher $79,282,726
894 Lawrence0485 Casher $71,846,743
893 TheSkylo Casher $84,282,797
892 NitelL Tech $87,218,827
891 NitelL Tech $81,836,693
890 TheSkylo Tech $87,748,819
889 Gerdler Indy $92,098,830
888 Lawrence0485 Casher $74,148,154
887 TheoSqua Tech $76,894,683
886 NitelL Casher 77,428,974
885 Kingme Casher $76,914,210
884 Lawrence0485 Casher $74,751,351
883 NitelL Farmer $84,065,439
882 Lawrence0485 Casher $71,565,037
881 Lawrence0485 Casher $73,459,477
880 Lawrence0485 Casher $71,351,317
879 Lawrence0485 Casher $65,723,493
878 NitelL Farmer $72,197,891
877 NitelL Farmer $71,800,032
876 NitelL Farmer $82,324,776
875 Lawrence0485 Casher $59,480,101
874 NitelL Farmer $72,414,066
873 NitelL Indy $77,500,846
872 Lawrence0485 Casher $64,110,550
871 commander1972 Farmer $53,476,857
870 saplingg Indy $66,083,507
869 NitelL Techer $63,356,123
868 TheoSqua Indy $48,536,929
867 TheoSqua Techer $60,568,570
866 TheoSqua Techer $61,572,955
865 Lawrence0485 Casher $54,417,048
864 NitelL Casher $72,816,721
863 NitelL Indy $76,212,398
862 commander1972 Farmer $59,712,982
861 Helmut ? $58,350,025
860 NitelL Techer $65,799,131
859 Helmut ? $61,770,582
858 NitelL Techer $47,687,119
857 NitelL Casher $72,509,954
856 VicRattleHead Techer $67,708,681
855 Helmut ? $62,843,090
854 Helmut ? $66,083,633
853 commander1972 Farmer $50,680,876
852 Helmut ? $67,609,015

Average NW for a win in 2026: $70,616,869

Wins by strat:
Casher 16
Techer 12
Farmer 8
Helmut ??? 5
Indy 5

Wins by Player:
NitelL 16
Lawrence0458 11
TheoSqua 6
Helmut 5
commander1972 3
TheSkylo 2
kingme 1
VicRattleHead 1
saplingg 1
Gerdler 1

Thanks!

1.) NitelL - Jollibee Chickenjoy (#73) Game profile 55,925 $94,244,351 HG
Congrats NitelL on a personal best. Considering how many crazy high NW finished you've had this is quite an accomplishment!
This is the highest NW finish in the last 263 rounds since Gerdler in round 633 in January 2022. Wow!

2.) Lawrence - The Forgotten (#62) Game profile 54,120 $72,161,932 HG
Congrats Lawrence on your 5th consecutive 70m+ finish and 11th in the last 17 rounds.

3 .) Skylo - Seagulls gonna come (#71) Game profile 61,010 $68,642,682 HG
Congrats Skylo on your 5th best finish in express. 60k+ acres ain't no joke!

4 .) Boom - Ironhold (#63) Game profile 52,582 $63,352,328 HG
Congrats Boom on your second consecutive 60m+ finish and a personal best! Excellent growth!

5.) Commander1972 - signed up for pickle ball (#64) Game profile 41,069 $62,280,320 HG
This was your 29th top5 finish this year. Impressive!

6.) Yoda - Link (#74) Game profile 59,985 $48,311,710 CG
Congrats on 4 $40m+ finishes in a row! Your previous best was 2 in a row.

7.) BaDonks - let there be donks (#83) Game profile 29,886 $45,813,664 HG
Congrats on your 4th $45m+ finish and your 2nd best finish ever!

8.) TheoSqua - In A Factory Downtown (#65) Game profile 43,304 $44,361,790 CG
This was my 18th top 10 finish in a row. Congrats on that I guess?

9.) Grouch - Saints and Sinners (#67) Game profile 21,885 $40,487,591 TG
Congrats on your 3rd best finish and a solid top 10 country!

10.)Brettking - BOOM (#78) Game profile 30,910 $22,613,333 FG
This 2nd best-ever finish and your second country over 20m nw. You're moving in the right direction!

Overall Express has gotten significantly tougher over the last few months. Everyone is getting better and the top5-10 countries are far more competitive than they have been previously. Great job everyone.

I would go a different direction. Alliance should have a market driven mechanic tied to your alliance. So either a third ally-market, some sort of alliance pact that gives you discounts to market or price changes, etc.

I'm typing way faster than my brain has had to process the idea, but I like the idea of Alliance requiring allies to be successful.

Casher Update:

Skylo with $84,282,797 in round 893

I'll be teching:

Missile Boat (#9)

I also need def/intel allies.

Congrats to TheSkylo on joining the 80m NW club!!

Congrats!

The benefits of the offensive alliance pact has not scaled with the way the game is played and is rarely used. It would be nice if the pact could be adjusted to make it valuable again.

A couple of ideas:

- Offensive Alliances boost Ghost Acres up to 3.33% based on total strength. (So if your offensive ally has 10% of your offensive strength it's .33%, if they have 100% it's 3.33).
- Increased military coordination with Offensive Allies reduce readiness cost by up to 16% per ally based on total strength.
- Offensive Alliances boost Weapons and Military Strategy technology based on allies tech levels. (If you have 110% Weapons and your allies have 120%, 110%, 105% then your weapons will be increased (.10*.20)+(.10*.10)+(.10*.05) = 113.5%

Now that alliance doesn't have any wars it feels like a huge portion of the games mechanics are no longer used in two of the bigger servers.

It got me thinking about how we could use the existing bot mechanics as a way to drive competition between human players and I had the idea of bots being tributes.

The idea would basically be this:

There would be a new pact type called Tribute. It would only be available between human players and bots.

If you attack/grab a bot enough some threshold would trigger the bot to send you a tribute pact (this could also be a new attack type called Demand Tribute).

A Tribute would then give you a benefit by either granting you a portion of their resources or by applying a portion of its networth to yours. My first thought is that 10% of a bot's NW would be tied to your country.

Other Human players could then attack the bot and try to take the tribute from other humans.

Special attacks could have an added bonus to the tribute threshold, so that a "war" strat now becomes a valid way to gain NW.

The goal of this feature would be to find a way to take some of the war-based aspects of the game and lean into the bot-driven functionality to give those functions more utilization as the game moves away from human-on-human wars.

1 Blow Stock to Retal (#14) Game profile 53,879 $76,914,210 HG
2 neat street productions (#69) Game profile 53,775 $70,995,362 HG
3 Its gonna get tasty (#16) Game profile 37,981 $70,169,783 HG
4 Them Bones (#65) Game profile 52,140 $60,351,445 CG
5 Ironhold (#36) Game profile 40,700 $51,750,284 HG
6 CornHub (#71) Game profile 56,902 $51,075,411 HG
7 The Forgotten (#53) Game profile 50,478 $49,049,625 HG
8 Summer Shenanigans (#73) Game profile 40,072 $42,765,394 RG
9 Haircut 2000 (#76) Game profile 25,795 $30,007,774 TG
10 Plaboclocka (#72) Game profile 15,817 $29,228,013 HG

Congrats to KingMe on the huge casher finish.

Also Commander1972 I think that 70m is your personal best or close to it. Congrats!

With us having two 80m nw finishes last round, I was curious enough on how many 80m finishes we've had to go back through express history to see how frequently this happens.

Based on the information I pulled, there have been 42 $80m NW finishes in Express. The first one was in Reset 442 (Flourtandkram motverkar karie (#86) $80,524,331.00) by someone who did not have a profile associated with their country.

The top 10 countries in total NW are:
country_name country_number networth reset_id player_id
I am also not Gerdler 7 $103,949,777.00 632 Gerdler
DeathFromAbove 59 $103,796,063.00 633 Gerdler
Tmac 39 $99,602,082.00 608 Tmac
Express Jun 9 0000 Jun 13 2359 79 $96,304,126.00 602 Gerdler
Laurentian fan 76 $96,096,554.00 600 Gerdler
NCC 1701 10 $95,864,839.00 628 Getafix
Blockbuster Video 53 $94,273,868.00 614 Tmac
p h i l t r e 75 $92,233,782.00 825 NitelL
Road House 52 $92,092,376.00 613 Tmac
Tmac 45 $91,744,726.00 612 Tmac

With the average $80m+ finish being $87,023,179.79


There have been 11 or 12 players to break $80m NW.

Here are the count of $80m nw finishes by player:
NitelL - 10
Tmac - 10
Gerdler - 7
Skol - 3
Rob - 2
Slagpit - 2
smlaundau84 - 2
Ebert 00 - 1
Molotov - 1
Ugolino - 1
TheoSqua - 1
?? - 1

Congrats to NitelL for tying Tmac for most $80m this past round!

There were 91 countries in the Express server.
Rank Country Land Networth Special
1 Dm me for a joke (#71) Game profile 60,586 $84,065,439 HG
2 Short Skirt Long Jacket (#62) Game profile 46,697 $82,276,510 HG
3 The Forgotten (#30) Game profile 47,586 $71,197,943 HG
4 Le Chuck (#68) Game profile 44,463 $41,095,614 CG
5 Carpe Diem (#77) Game profile 42,142 $34,849,182 HG
6 Goldenbasco (#65) Game profile 16,822 $32,184,751 HG
7 Blow Stock to Retal (#75) Game profile 16,506 $31,190,356 HG
8 Hooth (#64) Game profile 46,215 $31,128,203 HG
9 Send Guns Money Lawyers n Gals (#79) Game profile 44,356 $27,875,825 DG
10 Link (#66) Game profile 60,385 $21,498,762 CG

Congrats on the win NitelL. Sheesh...

You make fair points. I was just a little salty. Taking a break from time to time is probably the best advice. Thanks for reading my post and responding :)

I'd be willing to write something similar to eestats for conquest if we have the feeds for it. I'm running on a cloud-managed mongo cluster with 512MB of data, so i'd only be able to store one reset at a time.

I'd also think a delay on the news feed could help with alerts. Like run updates every 15 minutes or something like that. That way users can easily search/filter news, see market data, etc. without getting immediate alerts.

I'm the farmer you land traded with last round and no i haven't been having fun. Right now getting a high NW finish requires minimizing expenses and risking getting grabbed. So a minority of players who don't care about netgaining are making the experience for a larger number of players who want to maximize networth worse.

This is why I feel like Express is fundamentally broken. Because of how many turns you get in such a short time it's essentially impossible to fully defend against a motivated attacker. So no matter how skilled you are there is way more luck involved in Express than any of the other servers. It's gotten to the point over the last few rounds that i'm considering quitting or taking a break from Express because I'm being attacked/suicided on more often than not when I'm trying to netgain and putting the effort into get 50-60k acres only to see it ruined most of the time just isn't really worth it.

Not sure if @Slagpit will read this or agree, but I've been thinking of ways that rules in Express can change to allow it to be more netting friendly while still keeping the human competition element of the game in tact. Here's what I have so far:

- Increase the DR rate of Human countries. Ratski took about 27% of my land in 6 attacks. With less than 24 hours to go there's nothing I can do to recover from that. So 6 grabs ruins my round. If the DR rate was higher and I lost maybe 10% of my land - that's annoying but recoverable.

- Increase the Human moratorium period to 36-48 hours (Keep bots at current time) . This gives players 24 hours to maximize bot attacks adding another dimension of strategy, and gives more time to recover from getting farmed.

- Change GDI back to something you can join and players in GDI can only have receive two offensive actions taken without a retaliatory offensive action. This would let players who want to hit humans still get grabs, limit the damage, and then allow the defender the decision on if they want to retal and escalate, or absorb the hits and focus on netting. This may also encourage more human-on-human grabbing.

- Significantly reduce the expense cost for carrying a certain amount of turrets. Because Bots have very little Jets you tend to have to carry much higher volume of jets than turrets. Add that to needing to min/max expenses and carrying turrets is generally counter intuitive right now. So reducing turret expenses would incentivize better defense without hurting netting chances. This one would imbalance indys, so probably not the best idea.

I need all allies. Also i'm teching.

Misslie Boat #14

Thanks Balin! We're very proud of this round. I hope we're able to keep our group together for a while, it's been a fun ride.

I'm not sure how I feel about this new server.

I like the bots being added to give the server more market stability, but this makes the game too similar to Classic and Express IMO.

The benefit of Tournament was you could get to a higher server level and limit some of the interaction you get with players who would prefer to focus on attacking other players/ruining resets, etc. So you could kind of choose if you want a high-level netting country by playing the same country and getting into A - or create a new country and know you'll need a bit more military in a lower server.

This removes that filter and makes min/maxing a country much more luck based depending on who decides to hit you. That's a big component of Earth, but I feel like we already have non-alliance Servers with that focus in Classic and Express.

Great set for cashing/indies. Cheap food and crazy low tech prices.

I have a lot of issues playing the game in Chrome with ads. When my premium isn't active I exclusively use Firefox.

I'll be teching this round if anyone needs research allies. I'm #7.

Thanks! This is my first #1. Glad I finally figured out a decent strategy.

I'm still mad at you for grabbing my like 35 times in round 849, but you've had a really impressive run of countries the last few months. Credit where it's due, great job.

Words

Yes, but we have Grelk's chicken.

Maybe a pacifist mode that only allows you to attack bot accounts, but your country cannot be attacked?

Hmm

yup

This thread is awesome.

did we win?

yar

I miss the MUD...

ziggy, does your password not work or does the iframe not load? I use the omega site on my android phone all the time.

But if you want to go check out another alliance, by all means. It's been like 10 years :-P

totte

totte

o_O

changing eq(5) to eq(4) and adding it to the Foriegn Aid page would cause it work for trades.

FF4's issue is that it's loading the mobile version of the game. There must be something different about the user agent that ee is being wiggy about.

NYUH!

This is a strange thread...

Oh hey, an omega thread!

MD has smelly hair. I was sniffing it last night and did not like.