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Popcom

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Jul 24th 2011, 14:13:33

if u can hit it..
Popcomicus (#5394)
2.3m NW
i may FA him some fluff to get his NW a lil higher. 85% SDI. fire away (no CMs yet thou :P)

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Tin Man

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Jul 24th 2011, 14:20:42

RAAAWR!!!!

Dragon

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Jul 24th 2011, 14:34:41

Popcom. Inviting me to missile him.... There IS a god. ;) Thing is, at $30 million a turn, missiles would be too expensive to flip. Nice of you to offer tho!

Tin Man

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Jul 24th 2011, 14:40:14

hey, I'm sending em at $2mil/turn =P more fun then cashing though lol

Popcom

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Jul 24th 2011, 15:00:32

what if i shot mine at you to, could lower it a bit :P

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Dragon

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Jul 24th 2011, 15:22:50

Let's keep that a mental exercise, thank you very much!

Popcom

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Jul 24th 2011, 17:16:33

im sure i couldn't kill 1 anyway. dont have to many CMs. lost 1/2 my originals, and restarts dont have max warfare. and my originals were firing all CMs every day so i only got a few hundred. now i assume u have max or close SDI...

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Dragon

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Jul 24th 2011, 17:18:28

Originally posted by Popcom:

now i assume u have max or close SDI...

That would be a correct assumption. :) "Pure netters" have tried to convince me over the years that I shouldn't waste money on Techs not primary to my strat.

I was a Boy Scout. "Be Prepared".

Popcom

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Jul 24th 2011, 18:37:17

MORE!!!

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mrford

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Jul 24th 2011, 18:55:01

nukes and EMs?

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Popcom

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Jul 24th 2011, 18:55:31

yessum

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mrford

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Jul 24th 2011, 19:02:15

well, i got a few hundred commin ur way

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Bsnake

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Jul 24th 2011, 22:11:03

stat paddders..

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Popcom

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Jul 24th 2011, 23:53:49

it just clears the way for CMs...its house cleaning

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Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:01:11

pfffft...

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:04:38

So NBK attacks its own country to boost its stats. Sounds very similar to self-farming to me.

Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:06:36

everyone uses missile dumps.... the idea behind it is solid,just this late in the set its pure stat padding ;)

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:13:26

Originally posted by Bsnake:

everyone uses missile dumps.... the idea behind it is solid,just this late in the set its pure stat padding ;)

The idea behind it is solid. Because the idea behind it is nearly identical to self-farming.

Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:17:30

thats drawing a long bow..

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:18:07

i can understand where you are coming from but its a strech.

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Popcom

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:22:26

so is killing untags and 1 man clans for no reason, and yet........

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Popcom

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:22:46

also rockman, comparing a missile dump to self farming is just retarded and a long long loooooong stretch

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Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:26:15

all countries are open slather ;)

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:28:24

Originally posted by Popcom:

also rockman, comparing a missile dump to self farming is just retarded and a long long loooooong stretch

Yep. Self-farming is mutually beneficial, and you can still grab a self-farmer. But late set missile dumps don't benefit the countries involved, and only help them on the missiles used, attacks done, and attacks received charts. And the receiving end of a missile dump is put into heavy DR, keeping it from being attacked. So NBK engages in self-DRing.

Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:39:35

everyone uses any offered missile dump, not just NBK...

i agree set end it is just a stat padding affair,early in the set its a good way to have more chems than other less effective missles.

I can see where you are drawing a comparision from as its the only way a killer/war clan can increse the quailty of any FS or CS. Where are self farming is one of many ways a netter can manipulate the game/markets etc to gain an advantage...

Either way im not bothered by who does what and have no issues with either SF or missile dumps. DR i think is the only thing that should be stamped out, but even then im not too worried.

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Popcom

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:42:43

wow...just wow.

ok sorry im in "heavy DR" sorry u can no longer LG my 70 acre 1m country...how rude of me..i know what a tempting target that is.

also, when have u EVER herd an NBK player that cares about his stats?
and ALSO, most hits haven't even been from NBK....

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Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:43:56

Mercs is against self-DRing, which I suppose makes us against missile dumps.

But we have no problem with other people self-DRing, its just something that our rules prohibit.

I haven't seen a good argument against self-landtrading that couldn't also be used against missile dumps.

P.S. Mercs isn't a missile dump. I'm not sure how you could pay us reps for that mistake, though :(

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:46:00

Popcom - if no one in NBK cares about their stats, why exactly would they be using missiles on a missile dump right now? Is NBK planning on FSing someone before the end of the set? Or is it beneficial to one of the countries involved to be missiled?

Popcom

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:48:20

missile dumps help any clan that dump on you. stats padding, or just to make even more CMs so that if some butt hurt d-bag hits you in the last few hours, u can just kill his string easier.

im 1000% against self DR. i dont have a huge beef with self farming if they dont abuse DR. but i cant for the life of me think of why u would bring this up on a missile dump..less u want to hit a 70 acre country...

Edited By: Popcom on Jul 25th 2011, 0:52:35
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Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:48:22

i agree with pop on the DR side of things, but as i dont LG it doesn't effect me, so i guess im less concerened that others.

As for the stats, they are just things that happen while playing the game.

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 0:59:58

Simple solution to how PANLV & TKO don't get along with NBK.

PAN & TKO supply their largest countries to NBK as EM dumps. PAN & TKO don't have to worry about being topfed because the country is in constant DR, NBK gets free EM dumps, and NBK can't complain about them self-DRing.

Chaoswind

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:03:58

EM dumps need to have 0 SDI to ensure that every cruise finds his way home

I was talking about something like this, so I fully support it :)

;p

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Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:07:05

it makes no difference if it has SDI or not.

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:07:39

if its a nuke dump its best it has some SDI so it makes more fail and doesn't fall out of range.

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Popcom

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:10:57

well i can say for sure stat # ALMOST never coem up in NBK chats. in passing something may be mentioned, but nobody really cares.
personally there has been 2 sets where i finished with over 2k missiles.

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Popcom

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:12:17

Originally posted by Rockman:

that makes no sense at all.

1. NBK and TKO have no beef. never have..
2. we will always LG fat defenseless countries wether the clan provides an EM dump or not...

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synoder

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:12:19

I can follow your agrument on stat padding in regards to missile dumps but comparing it to self farming is absurd. At least the dump is public so anyone can hit it so it rewards those who are active and have spent money on warfare tech.

Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:13:43

i think the if you want a missile dump each clan should provide its own. i know a few clans have done this in the past.

im with Pop and don't follow Rocks logic in the last post..

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:20:23

Originally posted by synoder:

Anyone who is active can self-farm, so whats your point?

Popcom

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:28:54

anyone who is active can kill your top country to. doesn't mean u have to like it ;)

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Bsnake

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Jul 25th 2011, 1:29:47

lol good call

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 2:39:27

Originally posted by Popcom:

anyone who is active can kill your top country to. doesn't mean u have to like it ;)

Actually, you gotta be at least 60m networth to touch our top country.

What's the difference between self-farming and missile dumps that makes one of them okay, but not the other?

Angryjesus

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Jul 25th 2011, 2:39:45

Originally posted by Popcom:

anyone who is active can kill your top country to. doesn't mean u have to like it ;)

actually nbk has all of 6 countries that can hit any of rockmans top 4 countries...

Havoc

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Jul 25th 2011, 2:40:15

Hmm, next time I want to build up a really fat country i'm just gonna not give it any military and offer it as an EM dump to the server.:) Good call Rocko!

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Bigwiggle

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Jul 25th 2011, 3:12:59

Interesting idea lol .. it just might work

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mrford

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Jul 25th 2011, 3:19:54

i didnt know missiles contributed to DR

they didnt used to i dont believe

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Tin Man

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Jul 25th 2011, 3:34:33

Originally posted by Rockman:

isn't self farming technically putting every country that participates into DR almost 24/7? Might not be *DEEP* DR but the fact remains that every hit you do on your own countries is putting them in DR

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 3:50:05

Originally posted by Tin Man:

Originally posted by Rockman:

And every hit they do brings them out of DR. If we did the circle jerk style of DR, then it could be possible to keep all but one country in DR, but at any decent size, doing that many attacks in one day every day is simply not feasible and would quickly turn them all into parking lots.

Tin Man

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Jul 25th 2011, 3:59:33

hmm, I did not know of this "circle", interesting... I will have to investigate!

Rockman

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Jul 25th 2011, 4:01:18

Originally posted by Tin Man:

hmm, I did not know of this "circle" interesting... I will have to investigate!

Its great if you want to turn yourself into a parking lot. Which is the way some alliances have been landtrading this set (although not via the circle jerk method).

Example of people turning their countries into parking lots:

Jul 15/11 3:47:59 AM SS Oh Bomber (#197) (SemperFi) Xaagon (#191) (SemperFi) 4058 A (+0 A)
Jul 15/11 3:47:56 AM SS Xaagon (#191) (SemperFi) Oh Bomber (#197) (SemperFi) 3954 A (+0 A)
Jul 15/11 3:47:52 AM SS Oh Bomber (#197) (SemperFi) Xaagon (#191) (SemperFi) 4049 A (+0 A)
Jul 15/11 3:47:48 AM SS Xaagon (#191) (SemperFi) Oh Bomber (#197) (SemperFi) 3926 A (+0 A)

At that point, you're basically just ABing yourself.