"And every hit they do brings them out of DR." How does this work though?

Every time you do a SS, PS, or successful GS/AB/BR, you remove 1 hit of DR from your country.

Still have no idea how you can even compare self farming with a missile dump unless someone was missile dumping thier own country and not letting anyone else do it and even then it would be a stretch. A more logical comparison to a missile dump would be to build up your country then let everyone on the server farm it.

more like let everyone fail a GS on it

Cruises hardly damage a country, specially if is got HIGH SDI, low land and low military, so Missile dumps only compare to Failed GS...

Missile Dumps vs Self DRing

Cruises = FAILED GS (and when they do break you are annoyed by the result "meh My readiness dropped", just like a GS that only kills civs)
Chems = Failed BR/AB (and when they do break oh boy)
Nukes = Failed Nukes (and when too many of them break, you die)

Missile Dumps don't compare to Self Farming (maybe for people like Rockman), but do compare to DRing...

Would be interesting to use this as a tactic for war, I can already see the possibilities of preparing for a FS while getting 1 huge country and using it as a cruise dump.

Re. stats... Well, at 586 defends, I thought I might have the most defends in NBK, this set! That is, until that mutha!@#*$%!# POPCOM, that Son of a @#$$%@#$%#% completely ruined it for me! RUINED it, I tell ya!! Look deep into my eye though.. Do you really see any concern, in there? No...
But Poppy's right, we rarely give a flying fluff what the stats say. As someone said, stats are what happenstance by merely playing the game.
I am pissed though, that I'm not going to receive my 'most defends' trophy! LMFAO

What's the difference between self-farming and missile dumps that makes one of them okay, but not the other?
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Think of one, as NIGHT, and the other, as DAY!!


im 1000% against self DR. i dont have a huge beef with self farming if they dont abuse DR. but i cant for the life of me think of why u would bring this up on a missile dump..less u want to hit a 70 acre country...
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I agree..

But, let's see if there isn't another reason for this bad press, eh? Appears ole Rocko has a hard on for NBK! And for awhile now, too..
Come on Rockman.. What is it, that has you so miffed @ NBK?

Hmmmm?

You are looking at the results from a netting standpoint. But I clearly stated that missile dumps are used for the purpose of the warring charts, not the netting charts.

I guess that is the difference, that they are as different as night and day.

Both are mutually beneficial, but one benefits netters, the other benefits warmongers. And that is the only difference between them, but thats enough to make it night and day.

So what it boils down to is that someone can complain about self-farming while using missile dumps because its only okay to exploit game mechanics in unintended ways to your own advantage if you're exploiting them for warring purposes.

You guys just don't seem to get it. I'm not saying that missile dumps are a netgaining strategy, but you think I'm too fluffing dumb to know anything about war.

Gotta say I kinda agree with that.

Oh I can see what you mean...

taking it in context willing Missile Dumps improve war capabilities while self farming improves netting capabilities (if done right).

both are artificial ways to raise the capabilities of countries and require little to no skill to achieve.

I guess that is how you see it Rockman :P

both are artificial ways to raise the capabilities of countries and require little to no skill to achieve.
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OMG.. I just about choked to death on my coffee, when I started laughing when I read this.. It just sounded funny to me..

I'd say, one, (missile dump) is to rid oneself of fluffty missiles, to gain more chems, period. You call it an exploit? If it was wrong, or against the rules, I'm sure the powers that be would put a stop to it. The same can be said about the self farmers.. So, I don't see either, as exploiting game mechanics.

And fyi, rockman.. I'm pretty sure I saw no one calling you 'too fluffing dumb'

Nope, no one called me dumb, but talking about the netting consequences of missile dumps rather than the warring consequences was an insult to my intelligence.

"I'd say, one, (missile dump) is to rid oneself of fluffty missiles, to gain more chems, period"

QM, if its before a war I agree with you. But what about when its in the last few days of a set? Its nothing but an attempt to shoot missles that wouldn't otherwise get shot.

for the record

missiles do not contribute to DR, they never have, and probably never will

please adjust your arguments accordingly.

he doesnt care about that fact ford, because he has a huge hardon for us... thats the only reason he cares to argue over idiotic things

but i guess i should go ahead and dump what missiles i have on qm to help him with his defends :P

I was waiting for someone to point this out. This whole debate is ridiculous anyway. But I guess it doesn't really change anything.

to be fair, i tried to point it out on page 1, but no one listened to me :(

It was a rather minor part of this thread, and was never mentioned again after your post until you brought it up again on page 2.

you seem to be the only one who thinks that your misunderstanding of a basic game play feature was a minor detail in your ridiculous argument.

Actually, after you corrected me on that minor issue, no one talked about it at all until you brought it up again on page 2 complaining that no one had said anything about it.

Kinda funny how you claim I'm the only one who thinks its minor, and also complain that no one is talking about it.

You can't have it both ways.

your ability to order things in your head seems to be lacking

maybe you should re-read page 2 and then edit your last post

Which post in particular between your post on the first page pointing out that missiles don't cause DR and your post on the 2nd page repeating that fact talks about missiles causing DR?

it is fairly clear by the 2 posts directly after me re-stating my previous point that people had either overlooked it, or agreed with my view of the idiocracy of your basic lack of game play knowledge. it is also painfully clear that i didnt post "complaining that no one had seen my first post" until the 2 responses to my 2nd post on this thread, so it was clearly discussed before i was "complaining"

Mr Ford - all the examples you cited were AFTER your post on page 2, not BEFORE.

I asked for examples of posts BEFORE your first post on page 2.

i have 2 posts on page 2

only one was "complaining that no one listened"


"Actually, after you corrected me on that minor issue, no one talked about it at all until you brought it up again on page 2 complaining that no one had said anything about it."


that was your statement


if you want to make idiotic little nitpicking statements, i can as well. you are terrible at dealing with being wrong, and its amazing that you were even wrong on this basic gameplay aspect.

You brought it up again because no one was talking about it. Thats also complaining about it. Unless posting the same thing twice because it was ignored the first time isn't a complaint?

thank you for proving my point, lol


im sorry if you were hoping that no one noticed your stupidity. i did, and i called you out. deal with it

Your point was that I'm right?

I was wrong about missiles causing DR and admitted that to you on IRC. When are you going to admit that its a minor part of my argument, and that you were wrong about that?

"if you want to make idiotic little nitpicking statements, i can as well. you are terrible at dealing with being wrong, and its amazing that you were even wrong on this basic gameplay aspect."

that point you tard lol

do your members know you are this idiotic?

I've never done self-DR, and I've never claimed to be an expert at it. Its a minor part of my argument, given that my argument is that missile dumps are beneficial for warring purposes, and self-DRing isn't too common during war.

You were the one who brought it up. You were the one nitpicking about a minor piece of my argument. So I guess I proved that you were guilty of what you accused me of.

yeah pretty minor. you were wrong, you are bad at dealing with it. suck it up and move on playa. accusing a clan of self-DRing when infact they arnt, that brings your pitiful argument out of the minor league

I guess I am bad at dealing with it. Because I admit when I'm wrong. But I should follow your example and insist on never being wrong. Because admitting you're wrong is clearly the wrong way to deal with it. How do I know that its the wrong way? Because it the way I do it, and therefore it must be the wrong way!