Still more specific than I believe should be posted. Posting those results could potentially tilt the political environment of the game. Posting the results as I have posted them should have no perceptable impact on the game beyond what we debate in the game.

In what way?

Posting detailed results may offer one alliance leverage over another diplomatically.

Mostly, I just think it's disrespectful to the alliances on the survey.

Oh please. If you honestly believe that people will use the results of your survey to influence their decisions or opinions or feelings towards other alliances you have no business doing FA.

As I said, I mostly just think that it would be disrespectful to the alliances on that question.

if you say so.

I hope no one participates in his future surveys. Pretty stupid.

Angel - http://www.niehs.nih.gov/...sources/bioethics/whatis/ scroll down to the "Openness" section

I have shared the results. I have provided compiled data for question 2. Furthermore, I point you to the "Integrity" section, and the "Respect for Colleagues" section.

I committed to not revealing specific results to the general public before more than 1 person had taken the survey. I made that promise and I will keep it.

I am committed to not revealing the specific results, because I am an alliance leader and I do not necessarily know that I would want results about my alliance to be made public knowledge. Therefore, I must respect other alliance leaders and hold this information as confidential. If an alliance leader wishes to know their specific results, they need only ask me and I will give them their specific results.

I believe that I have revealed the results to the extent that I can ethically do so. What would you think if students were polled about drug use. Do you think that the results for specific homeroom classes should be made public or should that information be held confidential and need to know? I think that revealing specific classes results would create guilt by association if a class had significantly more drug use than other classes. Revealing consolidated information about the school alone (or even class years) would obscure the drug users (in this example) enough to shield all the students from guilt by association.

In neither by school example or question 2 are we dealing with simple scientific research. We are researching people in both cases and that changes the equation when it comes to ethics.

Did you just compare a popularity contest regarding alliances in Earth Empires to a survey regarding drug use by students in schools? Wow. You take this fluff far too seriously.

Stick to your guns Angel1. You did not force anyone to take the survey or post here. ;-)

Hawkeyee, the level of concern for the matters may be different, but the pattern is the same.

Respect for colleagues and integrity are not referring to sharing data. Trust me youre in the wrong.

Confirmed.

So why are you the only one entitled to the results? As a leader of Omega I'd think it would be pretty irresponsible of you to gather such information, especially if you believe that it may give you leverage in political negotiations. You said you'd tell alliance leaders specifically how their alliance scored. This gives you an unfair advantage over them. If you truly believe that this information can be used for political gains then I feel you have an incredible conflict of interest in gathering it. How can others trust that you won't use it for Omega's political benefit while others don't have access to it? The only way to eliminate this conflict would be transparency. If I were another alliance leader I would encourage others not to deal with Omega until it is established just what kind of insider information you have access to and may be using to manipulate negotiations. Unless you want to start backing down from some of your previous statements.

Oh well. At the end of the day I think everyone knows that LAF is the worst alliance for the health of this server. If LAF were to disappear I can guarantee the player base on this server would DOUBLE in 3 months.

whats funny is that 85 people couldnt possibly represent a server of nearly 1,000 players. that survey was a joke to begin with, before even havign to consider the possibility that like 40 of those 85 were LaF, so basically you got us saying "clan x is bad, but laf, laf is awesome"

and dont be so full of yourself thinking that the results would be used for political gain. you yourself have the information, as a leader of a clan, are you using it?

He can guarantee it!

haha if Laf left there would be no one left at the rate we are growing ;)

Hawkeyee, I won't back down and I don't feel that there is any sort of conflict of interest. By refusing the make the results known in their entirety to everyone, I don't create the situation that can be leveraged. More to the point, what would be the point of releasing the results other than allowing people to continue in a perpetual blame game. Not that not releasing them is helping the situation any, but why should I add fuel to the fire of stupidity.

Only thing I'm going to back down from is that the question should have been asked. Honestly, with all the debate about question 2, all of the results have been lost in the storm. Petulent demands for release when I've made clear that I'm not going to release the information is incredible.

you should make the statment of "not realeasing the results" in the verry first post of this thread.

I would have not taken the test ... and i am sure others wouldn`t either.

You are hypocrite for keeping those results only for you or a small group of folks. But for sure i won`t answer again to any other survive on this forum ( if not realeased by an admin or moderator )

I have released the results of question 1 in it's entirety.

Question 2 results have be released in combined format.

Questions 3 and 4 have been released as to the trends shown, and if people wish the entirety of those questions to be released, then I'll have no issue doing that on Monday when I have more time.

Question 5 remains unreleased at all because it will take more time than I have before Monday to compile it. The way that people wrote out the wars they would like to see were not always the same I will have to go through it entirely by hand. I plan to release results to Question 5 in its entirety on Monday.

Surprised that no one is banging on my door for the results to question 5 before now.

Angel1 I do not believe everyone is demanding the release of the results only a select few who wish to use the results of other alliances to further their own arguments. Their persistent posts to pressure you make them appear to be a majority but they are not.

I believe the more prudent approach is just to release the results to individual alliance leaders of results relating to their own alliance and leave the decision to release each alliance result up to them. I have no problems releasing results for my own alliance.

The results are not an accurate depiction of the majority of players anyway.

where did you released the results ?

I don`t see any link to it in this thread.

You called a research on EarthEmpires players not on Earthempires Alliance leaders. Your way of dealing with this stuff is not ethical.

When people go vote they`ll be pretty much disapointed if the final vote-count will be top-secret clasified - and passed only to Obama and Bush.

You should release all the results in original form and not combined.

You are just "great" to lead - anything. I remember someone from your side calling PDM comunists ( can`t recall the name). Simply LOL.

This survey was taken on earth players not earth alliance leaders. Try to think a little before posting around.

Alin, there is no link as the results are typed into the thread (hence why Question 5 has yet to be released at all, well that and the need to compile the results into something useful).

Its easy to make a new poll and the maker of the new poll release the results of the new poll... Something already done by Hawkeye. Why bicker over something like that?

To have something to bicker about of course.

Alin's posts are incoherent.

Ok maybe this will be coherent enough : "DON`T CALL OTHER COMUNISTS - YOU COMUNIST".

it is in caps so it must be right ...

This i regarding your post of "passing results to alliance leaders only". Try reading some history and you`ll notice that your way of thinking is similar to "comunism ideology".

And i won`t draw you a scheme if you didn`t got the point again.

Good luck - commie :)

Just because someone else labels someone a communist does not mean I have. Others have labelled PDM as such to portray the socialist marxist style policies PDM wish to promote.

That is the great thing about the Internet, everyone can share their opinion. Others just spend more time forcing their opinions and beliefs on others.

onus

Because it's irresponsible of an alliance leader to gather information about a server without at least making it all available to all other alliance leaders. Angel said he would tell other alliances leaders how their alliances did. That's not enough. iMag's leader shouldn't have any less information than in this case one of Omega's leaders has. He should release ALL results, not just how iMag scored. As a member of the alliance in which Angel is one of the "leaders" I'm voicing my incredible displeasure towards his actions.

For the record, the following alliances have received their specific results to question 2:

SoF
Omega
ICN
Monsters
PDM
NeoFed

Does SoF's leadership know how people voted about Monsters? Does ICN leadership know how people voted about PDM?

No, only if we trade results, which of course can not be verified =P

So far Omega is the only other alliance that knows PDM's results (I told Henrik, I am not making a jab at Angel)

Not that anyone will necessarily believe me, but The Omega only knows those results that the relevant leaders have chosen to tell us.

I have not and will not spread the results of any other alliance to anyone but their leaders. If you don't trust me, then that's okay because it doesn't change the truth.

Tursting in earth is silly!
It has been proven by many facts in it`s history.

this may be true but at least i can trust in earth...

How can you even begin to make this claim? You are the hFA of Omega. You and Henrik represent Omega's leadership. You clearly know all of the results. Therefore, Omega knows all of the results. You might say that Henrik doesn't know other results, but unless you've stepped down from you minister position without my noticing, you certainly do and you still represent leadership.

The roles can be separate, Hawkeyee. My role as a leader of Omega is not influenced by the information that I have as the person that ran this survey.

So why can't Detmer's role as head of PDM not be influenced by the information that he could potentially have as just a curious member of the community? What an arrogant position to unilaterally determine for everyone that they can't be trusted not to use this information in inappropriate ways yet you yourself should be trusted by the community not to do the same.

Now you're just putting words into my mouth Hawkeyee. I have not said that, nor would I. If you intend to do nothing buy put words into my mouth, then I'm afraid our little debate is over.

Not that you would claim this, but I'm not withdrawing from this debate because I'm losing (quite the contrary from the people I've spoken to), but because you are now putting the words into my mouth which you want to hear.

At this point, you are simply fixated on a goal that is unattainable and, barring that, on harming my reputation (at least where surveys are concerned). The problem with the second thing is that my reputation with regard to surveys is as damaged as it's going to be and I'm okay with that. You have made your own survey and released those results, so this is really just beating a dead horse.

I'm not a leader in PDM, but if Det wanted to share our results, I personally would be happy for him to do so. Angel has chosen to do this in the best way he can, and I am happy with the outcome.

Where am I putting words in your mouth? You stated several times that you won't release the results because they could be used in ways that are harmful to the game. You specifically mentioned that alliance leaders could use them to manipulate negotiations. Then you said that you are able to make the distinction between your role as an alliance leader and your role as the person running the survey. This implies that you are able to negotiate in good faith without being influenced by the results of the survey. My argument is that since you claim to be able to negotiate without being influenced by the results why wouldn't you release them to all alliance leaders? At this point I'm no longer trying to get you to release the results to the general AT population - I'm trying to get you to release the full results of question 2 to every alliance leader that wants them. You have access to more than Omega's results, therefore Detmer should have access to more than PDM's, unless you're saying that you are better able to put the information aside and negotiate objectively than Detmer and the other leaders are.