so its not a big issue then. so i better agree with the OP title. :)

Anytime I see a country that gets farmed and only retals the country it hit I think good for them Sam so I agree that they often get the short end of the stick. Laf as an example wont often protect someone who farms a country from that country. They only protect the rest of the alliance if it looks like they might suicide on others instead.

Unfortunately I think people like KJ gave the untaggeds a bad name in the last year and clans are even swifter to kill over something small than they used to be. Maybe there can be rule changes that both protect alliances(who dont touch a country, or at least the countries in an alliance who dont touch it) from suiciders and protect the suicider a bit more too... but that seems a ways off either way

AGREED, LOCKET! I THINK THE RULES OF ETIQUETTE YOU PROPOSE USED TO BE PRETTY STANDARD, BUT IT SEEMS MOST ABANDONED THEM WHILE I WAS AWAY.

See this is where i agree with you, Suicide once, make it good, and make sure it makes an impact, people who suicide set, after set, after set are just sad, i would be happy to help kill KJ no matter what alliance i was playing in.

problem is the game shouldnt be changed to make suiciding less destructable cause of people like kj.

SAM DANGER, I would like to discuss this more with you. :) I like your logic and thinking along these lines. :)

Look at the history of any unclanned country. And you will see why the dont have any problems ruining somebody elses set

I think that opening the door back up for the "random" landgrab followed by a "standard" retal among the alliances would promote competition better than all the alliances pacting each other so that the "random" landgrab no longer exists. Thus, players will farm an untagged into the ground early in the game to max out their highly protected lands. Protected by what you may ask? Protected by wearing that tag which is enviable indeed, right? While the untaggd player has no horde of allies willing to kill over a single retal from a guy who's just been raped for his lands.

Start having alliances grab from each other where a single random grab is not an act of war, simply a landgrab. Do te standard retal and move on.

End of rant

Guess what? What you are suggesting is already happening for a year. It's called cooperative landtrading, and for the first time ever, you will see multiple countries finishing above $400m NW this set.

The fact you call it "random" landgrab is ridiculous, it isn't "random", and the fact that 2 countries can cooperatively attack each other and both end up in a win-win scenario is ridiculous. In fact cooperative landtrading isn't any different from internal landtrading, and although there is a invisible line between them, that line doesn't exist for me. Might as well split your tag into 2 to trade.

intertag farming might be next step (at least in bigger alliances where there are members enuf playing different strats so techer doesn't need to hit indy for example).

intertag = between different tags. intratag = within the same tag.

but besides that, your point is already moot because RD does it.

DOWN WITH GHOST ACRES!

yea but they are minority atm.

now we need to do 2-4 spyops before we can attack while in intra/intertag no need to do spying.

My observations make me think that most untagged players are landfarms. They explore very predictably right before they come out of DR, they never seem to retal the alliance that is farming them, they buy up jets (which they rarely use) to keep up their NW, then - once the bottomfeeding season is over - they suicide netters from one of the alliances in competition with their farmers.

PDM, as a policy, does not bottomfeed (though a few members do it sometimes), and yet we seem to get suicided with just as high or higher a frequency then the dedicated bottom feeding alliances.

huh

LAF does it as well now i guess

Mar/08/13 14:47:14 PS Twingle Twingle Little Stars (#164) (LaF) En4cer is my sINGLE hero (#385) (LaF) 10897 A 18838 A
Mar/08/13 14:41:02 PS En4cer is my sINGLE hero (#385) (LaF) Twingle Twingle Little Stars (#164) (LaF) 10190 A 16825 A
Mar/07/13 15:18:23 PS Twingle Twingle Little Stars (#164) (LaF) En4cer is my sINGLE hero (#385) (LaF) 9883 A 17418 A
Mar/07/13 15:12:37 PS En4cer is my sINGLE hero (#385) (LaF) Twingle Twingle Little Stars (#164) (LaF) 8815 A 13921 A


Mar/08/13 16:00:08 SS SkyFall (#259) (LaF) dont jiggle your ingle (#25) (LaF) 6986 A 11014 A
Mar/08/13 15:40:35 PS dont jiggle your ingle (#25) (LaF) SkyFall (#259) (LaF) 8653 A 14278 A

That's where intel should come in. Watching possible suiciders is fun sometimes.

i am enjoying this!

Personally, I think that if you wear the uniform of your alliance, ie your clan tag, then an untagged country that has been ruthlessly farmed by one member has every right to look in his scores list and take it out on the guy wearing the same uniform there.

I don't find anything wrong with that idea at all. But all you netting alliances all seem to think that your land is far more valuable than any one elses, and you want to isolate the country involved to only hitting the guy who hit him first. Why is that? Are you not in the same alliance? Thus, your guy in his scores list should be a legitimate target. Wearing the same uniform, right?

In a war, you don't really believe that soldiers would strictly limit the fight to ONLY the guy who fired upon them, do you?

I had a deal worked out with Scarface a long time ago that the MI would take our retals on any country wearing the same tag that our guy could reach, and we never had any problems with people wanting to suicide or just screw up somebodies game, it also had the benefit of improving both alliances players skill in the game.

sorry but i play naked :P

Unfortunately, the people involved in suiciding us this set don't fit your criteria. Unless they're taking revenge for something that happened in previous resets, that's not the reason they are suiciding us.

Considering that I know where one suicider came from, and have extremely strong leads on another, it has nothing to do with us farming untags.

Ahh we had an internal strife. that's totally not landtrading.

All this talk of landtrading and such and land farming ie. intratag farming has a long history. It's something that has been going on for as long as the game has existed.

I'm sure some of you remember TGA right? They had a no landgrab policy, they refused to accept landgrabs against them, and didn't do landgrabs on anyone else either, they had players who ran countries just to be farmed for land and the entire alliance game hated on them for it and there was much screaming and gnashing of teeth over it, accusations of multies echoed through the halls of AT. Yet, now, it appears to be an accepted practice.

I remember a long time ago when I was playing for KoH, LaF had a group of all jetters who's sole purpose was to do retals, they would do the retal, then get farmed for that land by other LaF countries. I remember this specifically because at one point, Cougar, who then led KoH thought that LaF was trying to kill a rogue country who had hit a KoH country multiple times and decided to jump in and help in the execution.

It was referred to as double-stepping, or two-stepping. Thus your retal power was amplified by having an all jetter and your alliance benefited by having access to easy land from the all jetter.

So, all you folks need to make up your minds on this subject and quit yer fluffin' about it.