This is just fun :( Some people think that suiciders have a legitimate reason to fluff with other people. But if that's the case, why do they never bother to make a point other than just destroying people's countries...

want some more cheese with that whine?

This isn't exactly a new development...

Want some more don't be a douchebag with your troll posting?

Of course it's not new. It happens every set, people get mad, people post here. It just gets really tiring after a while though. I'm not even that outraged at this point, I'm just over it. This guy plays daily for 4 weeks and then suicides us. We kill him, he immediately comes back just to fluff with us. What's the point? I don't get it.

It is stupid. And unfortunately some of the recent game changes have assisted such individuals.

The type of individuals who operate like this thrive on threads such as this one, because it gives them attention and thus satisfaction they have achieved their goal of being an annoyance.

damn I just saw the news... poor vincey :( we play together in team- my condolences.

or maybe some of us play by a different set of rules, all within the parameter of what this game allows, if land trading is allowed, ( btw this make no sense to me) then you have to assume others are pushing the boundaries different directions!

Yeah, I can understand that some people might have that viewpoint, but I don't understand what they get out of it. Spend just as much, if not more, of your time to build a suicider country just to potentially ruin a handful of people's finishes. What a waste of time for everyone involved, imo.

damn vincey got hit? :/
always hits close to home when it's a good friend's set ruined.


i think we can all agree vincey is one of those guys everyone loves. great player too.
sorry bro, now you gotta win team

yeah I mean you have wars for no reason, people doing pre-planned landtrading between countries and so on.. this is just as much a part of the game as anything else.

also, who are you to question the suicider's motivation when you have no idea what it was?

Let's look at this logically. I have to assume this person's intention is to simply ruin the enjoyment of some of our players. Most suiciders choose particular targets for a reason, usually relating to something that happened in the past. If we've done anything to piss this person off, I have no idea what it was. As it stands, this person obviously has something against Evo, but has yet to make any kind of statement, in public or private, as to why.

So no, I have no idea what this person's motivation was. I can only guess that he has some bone to pick with Evo for some reason, but I can't fathom what it is.

They get the satisfaction of knowing that they got your knickers in a bunch. That's what they get. You have amply illustrated this by posting about it here thus validating their actions in their own mind.

They are the kind of people without a long range plan. All the screaming about them only encourages them, which is not as bad as it sounds at first, it keeps them from forming a long range plan to bring down your whole alliance.

Lol, bring my alliance down. I'd like to see this turd try.

And yeah, I'm glad I'm giving them the validation they apparently desire.

who thinks they need a legitimate reason? btw, stay out of my lane when I'm walking or unicycling on the shoulder or i might get tempted to jump thru your windshield.

The suiciders are looking to rustle some jimmies...

It looks like the jimmies have been rustled

Who thinks Dibs needs a legitimate reason to ever post anything?

I just had cheese and peanut butter crackers with french onion dip.


Delicious.

Not to mention, whether anyone posts anything about it or not, this guy will continue to suicide us. I didn't post anything the last time he hit us and it didn't stop him from coming right back for more. Obviously he has an issue with Evo in particular for whatever reason.

legitimate reason to post? not sure i have a legitimate reason to even visit the site. though i do like the look and feel of this forum.

It does look quite trim and sexy.

lol you come on here and cry about something that has been happening literally since the launch of the original game, and frankly is a lot LESS of a problem now than it has been in times past, yet I am the troll?

Please.

We get suicided twice by the same guy. I make a post fluffing about it, and this was your response. And yet I'M the troll? Get out of here.

also love Sov's line about how admins make it easier for suiciders. suiciding is more difficult than ever. even this guy knocked down like 2k buildings max? despite suiciding a guy that only had a fairly low number of tanks (according to the last op I saw) on 34k acres. only thing that helps suiciders is the restart bonuses, but those should also have helped evo track him.

This just in: People that play this game are allowed to make a post about something they find disagreeable with the game exactly once. Thereafter, nobody is allowed to post about the same topic.

Unfortunately, this means no more fluffing about landtrading, stonewalling, anything market related, FAing and Tagjumping, and many other topics. All future posts must be completely unrelated to anything ingame, as these topics have already been covered.

Thanks for clearing up the boards H4.

PP, I think the mods will take issue with your posting about a country's tank numbers, from a spy op.

It's funny,

Someone suicides LaF, LaF deserves it.
Someone suicides EVO, IT MUST BE STOPPED!!oneoneone111

I love double standards and watch, new rule coming next set, instead of 1/12 rule, it will be 1/0.90, you must be within 10% of the target's networth or humananananatarians will stop u from attacking!

Forgotten, when the same crap happened to Laf, I didn't say anything about them deserving it. If you farm a country and they suicide, that's your own fault. If someone suicides you and only you with no connection to events ingame, that's another story. I am absolutely and publicly against what KJ did to Laf and RD. Laf doesn't deserve to be suicided either.

tellatubby loves suiciders... suiciders don't love him :(

What h4 said.

Don't want to be grabbed by some untag? Then get some defense.
There is zero point in posting it on AT.

I have never had a suicider attack me, unless you count some of the alliance players who also play on a solo server and get pissed off when I relieve them of some of that FAT land they think they deserve to have. Not one time has my country ever been targetted by a suicider. Not once, and I've been playing for a very long time.

There is a reason for people suiciding on alliances, and I'll wager it usually has something to do with farming peoples countries.

Perhaps if all the alliances weren't so UNAP'ed and actually competed with EACH OTHER instead of "feeding on the newbies and untaggeds" then there might be a cessation of Suicider activity. That's just an opinion and has no basis in any claims, or checking of news etc. It's just a motivational factor for some people.

Look at your alliances. Sometimes, an untagged player will join long enough to learn how to become a better player and thus be able to exact his/her vengeance on the target of their ire.

They had to learn how you build to be able to plan enough to damage a country in an alliance. This fluff doesn't happen in a vacuum.

I like suiciders as well means I get to kill something.

Telleron: back in the day people used to get suicided by multiple countries coordinating at once, and in many cases DOZEN's of countries would be COMPLETELY ruined, and this was considered status quo or the norm, it was just expected.

When people came and complained on the boards about it, they would be mocked and told to learn to expect the inevitable. In a vast majority of these cases the people being publically berated for complaining were regular members, often the very people who were suicided.

You are an FA representative of your alliance, on here complaining about what is, relatively speaking, a very minor suicide.

Am I going to mock an FA rep from another alliance for making a post like this? Absolutely.

The post was poor judgement, and I tease you for it.

I'm not mocking you Tellarion, I'm merely offering a suggestion for why it happens. Preparing for the inevitable as H4xOR WaNgEr calls it seems to be the logical way to go. Simply make sure that you have enough tanks on hand to defend yourself. If you aren't going to defend yourself from these little countries that build up a lot of tanks with your large networth countries, then I think you have invited the attacks, like it or not.

I really want to say something here, but I won't say what I really want to say.

All you bottomfeeders go on about how its an alliance game and if your untagged or in a small tagged then you deserve to be farmed and bla bla bla.

Well then as an alliance, if any of your members piss off the wrong person, your whole alliance should expect to get suicided, its the way it is, an alliance game.

Back in E2025 when i suicided, i did it because i felt i could get no where with leaders from tie, laf and co while trying to grow imag, it was pathetic, i tried to do everything asked of them so imag could grow and have one on one wars, but it was allowed, so i joined tie under a fake nick, grew a county for four weeks and then suicided from the tie tag, specifically aiming for their allies that had fluffed me, so not only did i fluff TIE over but i fluffed the other alliances that had wronged me.

even though the way my country was killed through cheating means, it was satisfactory to fluff over those alliances.

As netters you set yourself up for it imo.

terrorist ABed me while i was at work.. good thing Tella aided me some tanks ;D

1.7k acres only, wont be too bad ^_^

If I am looking at the right country it looks like the suicider barely touched him anyways? The guy who got ABd? What a terrible job suiciding.

You see, long range planning in action. Congrats Scode. I appreciate your stating this in such a fashion. :)

Notches Scode up a couple of notches.

So basically Imag should be getting suicided more than anyone else right? Since when you were a member there you killed random untaggeds, hit alliances for no reason, topfed people just to fluff with them, and pushed unwilling parties into wars. Seems to me that when Imag fluffed with people they fluffed with them in large numbers.

War clans are just setting themselves up for it imo.

NW or War,
are not the only way you can play this game

Can I get some FA ?

Thankfully it was a very week suicider.

It is unfortunate that these guys never seem to suicide on the alliances that are farming them, but its seems to be that way a lot.

On the other hand, if you play this game with less than 5 tanks per acre, then it is very hard to feel much sympathy. If you don't have tanks, you WILL eventually get hit.




Perhaps, but nobody takes rainbows very seriously. NW and war are how the game has been scored from its onset. There is no ranking table that I know of that grades how well you hide in a bunker for 60 days.

I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC INCIDENT BEING REFERENCED HERE, AS I DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSED THIS PERSON TO BECOME INFURIATED. IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU DO NOT KNOW EITHER. SO TELLARION, I AM NOT AIMING THIS POST AT YOU. I DON'T KNOW EVO'S OR YOUR PERSONAL POLICIES. ALL I KNOW IS THAT EVO IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW CLANS WHICH HAS NEVER SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE MIGHTY CLAN [DANGER]!

HOWEVER, ON THE ISSUE OF "SUICIDING" IN GENERAL, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH CERBERUS. IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES THE "SUICIDER" IS STRIKING BACK AT A PERSON OR CLAN WHICH ATTACKED HIM MULTIPLE TIMES. I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY HIS FURIUOS RETRIBUTION IS LOOKED DOWN UPON BY SO MANY HERE.

HE'S JUST RUINING SOMEONE'S GAME? WELL WHAT OF THOSE WHO COMMIT A SEEMINGLY ENDLESS BARRAGE OF ATTACKS AGAINST HIM? ARE THEY NOT RUINING HIS GAME? HE LOGS ON EVERY DAY TO FIND HE HAS BEEN ATTACKED 5, 10, 15 TIMES BY SOMEONE WHO IS 11 TIMES HIS SIZE. IF HE HAS NOT THE ABILITY TO RESPOND WITH AT LEAST SOME DESTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, WHY DOES HE EVEN BOTHER TO CONTINUE TO LOG IN EACH DAY? HE CAN JOIN GDI, AND THEN SOMEONE WILL DECLARE WAR ON HIM AND BESIEGE HIM 20 TIMES PER DAY. IF HE DARES TO MAKE USE OF WHAT PUNY OPTIONS HE HAS FOR STRIKING BACK - IF HE IS SO AUDACIOUS AS TO THROW BACK EVEN *ONE* NUKE DESTROYING ONE TENTH OF WHAT HIS TORMENTOR TOOK - HE IS KILLED.

AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU SPECIFICALLY TELLARION, BUT RATHER TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE:

IF YOU ARE IN A CLAN WHICH ALLOWS MEMBERS TO COMMIT MULTIPLE ACTS OF AGGRESSION AGAINST *ANY* NATION - IF YOU ARE IN A CLAN WHICH KILLS UNTAGGED COUNTRIES FOR STRIKING BACK WITH A NUKE AFTER SUFFERING 5+ ATTACKS IN A ROW FROM ONE AGGRESSOR - IF YOUR CLAN BULLIES OTHERS JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN - THEN YOUR VERY PRESENCE IN THAT CLAN IS HELPING TO EMPOWER THEIR BEHAVIOR. AS SUCH, NO ONE IN SUCH A CLAN HAS ANY JUST CAUSE FOR COMPLAINING WHEN A NEW PLAYER FINALLY SNAPS AND GOES APE ON THEM.

AND JUDGING BY THE SERVER NEWS, ABOUT 95% OF YOU ARE IN SUCH A CLAN.

IF YOU DESIRE TO BE MORE SAFE FROM "SUICIDERS", PUSH YOUR CLAN OVERLORDS TO ENACT POLICIES WHICH WILL NOT CREATE "SUICIDERS"! AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS GAME NEVER KEEP A NEW PLAYER FOR MORE THAN ONE RESET, PUSH THE ADMINS TO CONTINUE TO WEAKEN "SUICIDING". I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME IMAGINE WHY ANY NEW PLAYER WOULD STICK AROUND IF HE WAS TORMENTED RELENTLESSLY AND DENIED ALL AVENUES FOR VENGEANCE.

HERE ENDS TODAYS LESSON.

HA!

SAM
PHILOSOPHER,
THE MIGHTY CLAN [DANGER]!

errr you logic is fluffed...

When i lead imag in EC we did not kill random untags, or hit alliances for no reason, we had reasons, I ensured i always had a reason, just like when i lead here in EE. We didnt topfeed, we hit pansy netters with low defense and fat land to teach them a leason, our nw was always the same or higher, so you netters changed topfeeds from nw to land to get your own way.

I protected my alliance by having policies that suited war alliances, just like netters tried to protect their alliances by having policies that suited netting, eg topfeeds, only difference is i was always ready to meet half way, netters never were.

But hey nice try, guess you dont remember no good.

You were in Imag during those times either way so you are as much to blame as the netters getting hit while all exploring. My logic was purposefully fluffed up to match your own.

You hit them to teach them a lesson.. hah. Imag deserves suiciders as much as any netting alliance. They just get less because people realize how much less it could annoy to kill a 7k Imag country versus a 75k netter.

MR DANGER. I RESPECTFULLY PUT FORTH THE OPINION THAT 95% OF THE UNTAGGEDS ARE FAMILIAR WITH HOW ALLIANCE WORKS SO THEM PLAYING UNTAGGED IS A CHOICE TO GET HIT. ONLY 1-2 EVER TRY TO BE ABLE TO RETAL LIKE CROATIA. THE REST SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO SUICIDE TO HIT THEM OR SIMPLY WAIT TILL THEY CAN DO DAMAGE EVEN IF THEY WERENT HIT BY THE PEOPLE THEY WISH TO fluff WITH. THEY WOULD SUICIDE REPEATEDLY EVEN WITH NO PROVOCATION.

imag likes suiciders, anything to kill is good, sorry i meant to mention i do not deny that we do not deserve suiciders for actions, i just disagreed with your comments about imag while i was leading.

Yes i was in imag when they did stupid fluff, so your right i am as much to blame and would also deserve to get suicided as it is an alliance game..

i have a solution for suiciders.

everyone war

LOCKET!

WHILE I AGREE WITH YOU THAT SOME - PERHAPS EVEN A MAJORITY - OF THE UNTAGGED PLAYERS IN 1A UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO AND ARE THERE FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF REVENGE AGAINST A SPECIFIC CLAN, I DOUBT VERY MUCH THAT THE NUMBER OF SUCH PLAYERS APPROACHES 95%.

I'VE SPENT A BIT OF TIME LOOKING OVER THE NEWS OF UNTAGGED COUNTRIES - SPECIFICALLY DEAD UNTAGGED COUNTRIES - BECAUSE IT IS A TOPIC THAT INTERESTS ME. WHAT I SEE IS *VERY* FREQUENTLY AN UNTAGGED COUNTRY RETALIATES WHENEVER HE CAN AGAINST HIS TORMENTORS - OFTEN ONLY WITH REGULAR ATTACKS WHICH WOULD BE ACCEPTED IF THEY CAME FROM A TAGGED COUNTRY - AND WINDS UP DEAD FOR DOING IT.

JUST NOW, IN THE FIRST THREE DEAD UNTAGGED COUNTRIES THAT CAME UP, I FIND:

ONE COUNTRY WHICH SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN KILLED SIMPLY FOR MAKING STANDARD RETALS.. IN FACT, A LOT FEWER RETALS THAN ANY ALLIANCE WOULD HAVE MADE. HE DID NOT TARGET ANY SPECIFIC ALLIANCE, NEVER RETALIATED MORE TIMES AGAINST HIS TORMENTOR THAN HE HAD BEEN ATTACKED, AND STILL HE WOUND UP DEAD.

ONE COUNTRY WHICH LANDGRABBED TAGGED COUNTRIES, AND NOT EXCESSIVELY, AND WAS EVIDENTLY KILLED FOR IT.

ONE COUNTRY THAT MADE LAND GRAB ATTACKS AGAINST OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TAGS FROM WHENCE HIS TORMENTORS CAME. RESULT: DEAD.

I'VE ALSO SEEN THIS FIRSTHAND IN SEVERAL CIRCUMSTANCES. MANY MANY YEARS AGO, I LED A CLAN FOR A COUPLE YEARS WHICH WAS STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE. NO MATTER WHAT WE DID, WE WERE POUNDED INTO THE GROUND BY DAILY FARMING. THE ONLY THING THAT STOPPED IT: NUCLEAR RETRIBUTION. THAT CLAN STILL EXISTS TODAY. I DOUBT VERY MUCH THAT IT WOULD IF WE HAD NOT HAD THE FURY WITHIN US TO START GIVING BACK A LITLE OF WHAT WE GOT.

SINCE COMING BACK TO THE GAME LAST SUMMER, I'VE BECOME FRIENDS WITH ONE PLAYER WHO LIKES TO PLAY UNTAGGED OR IN SMALL CLANS ON THIS SERVER... A VERY GOOD PLAYER WHO ABSOLUTELY *DID* HAVE THE POWER TO RETALIATE, AND USED THAT POWER RESPONSIBLY. EVERY RESET WITHOUT EXCEPTION, HIS ROUND ENDED WHEN AN ALLIANCE KEPT RETALIATING AGAINST HIS RETALS, AND EVENTUALLY KILLED HIM. I THINK THIS RESET HE FINALLY JUST GAVE UP (NOT SURE ABOUT THAT ONE, AS I JUST RECENTLY SAW HIM POSTING AGAIN)

AND WITH THE MIGHTY CLAN [DANGER]!.. THIS RESET, HOO BOY DID THE PROVERBIAL EXCREMENT EVER COLLIDE WITH THE RAPIDLY SPINNING OBJECT. I SCREWED UP MASSIVELY, LEAVING US WITHOUT RETAL ABILITY, AND IT WAS JUST LIKE PLAYING UNTAGGED. DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUAD, QUINTUPLE TAPS COMING IN FROM ALL OVER THE SERVER. ONCE YOU'RE IN THAT POSITION, THERE IS ONLY ONE OPTION: START EXPLODING THINGS. IF I HAD NOT KNOWN THAT AT SOME POINT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO VISIT SOME PAIN ON A FEW OR ALL OF THOSE WHO WERE ON THE LIST OF THOSE WHO ARE TO BE EXPLODED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY INTOLERABLY FRUSTRATING. I WOULD HAVE PACKED IT IN RIGHT THERE AND WASTED NO MORE OF MY TIME ON THIS GAME.

THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLE - AND THE MOST LAUGHABLE - WAS ONE AGGRESSOR THIS RESET WHO ASSAULTED US 14 TIMES IN UNDER 40 HOURS. WHEN I WENT TO HIS CLAN'S FA, I WAS TOLD THAT THIS PLAYER WAS "PARANOID OF SUICIDERS" AND THAT MAY BE WHY HE TREATED US SO. PARANOID OF SUICIDERS, SO HE HITS A 4 MAN CLAN 14 TIMES, VIRTUALLY GUARANTEEING THEY'LL BE INFURIATED??? THIS IS WHAT I REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE MENTALITY OF THOSE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT "SUICIDERS". RESERVING THE RIGHT TO WRECK ANOTHER'S GAME WITH RELENTLESS FARMING, THEN COMPLAINING ON THE RARE OCCASION WHEN THE VICTIM HAS THE CAPABILITY FOR A LITTLE PAYBACK.

ANYHOW, I'VE RAMBLED LONG ENOUGH HERE. MY HOPE IS THAT AT LEAST ONE OR TWO NOOB-FARMERS WILL REEVALUATE THEIR ACTIONS, AND PERHAPS ADJUST THEM.. OR AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHY THAT LITTLE JERK JUST WRECKED THEIR COUNTRY.

HA!

SAM
CHAMPION OF THE EUGLAF DIVISION,
THE MIGHTY CLAN [DANGER]!

if suiciders are a problem, y not make this alliance server a no untagged zone? i mean devs can make an option to choose and alliance before they could play.

TWO THINGS:

1) FORCED TAGGING WOULD CHANGE NOTHING. INSTEAD OF 153 UNTAGGED COUNTRIES, YOU WOULD HAVE 170 ONE-MAN TAGS.

2) "SUICIDING", AS DEFINED BY MOST IN THIS GAME, IS NOT A PROBLEM. IT IS THE ONLY THING WHICH MAKES THE GAME WORTH PLAYING FOR THE VICTIMS OF THOSE WHO TEND TO GET SUICIDED UPON.

Actually suiciding adds flavor to the game.